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PostSubject: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:59 pm

I've been on methadone for a year now and the company I work for just hired a company to do all of our Ua's.
I was given a UA last week and today I received a call from a Dr. Teynor who was very curious and demanding actually.
He wanted to know all the facts.
I didn't really mind him asking general questions but he then asked me what my dose was.
I really don't think he has a right to ask that.
I refused to tell him, then he got rude.
He said if he decides I'm a danger at work then he will give me a "fail"
Now I'm a little worried.
Can anyone give me some facts about this?
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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:32 pm

Good morning,
The amount of Methadone that you take should not have anything to do with this.
I can't say this enough, no two people are alike. I get really irritated when people judge people by the amount of Methadone they take. Some people require a higher doses than others.
Take me for example, before switching over to Suboxone I was taking 40mg of methadone for four years. 40mg a day was fine for me. I know people who are on much higher doses and people who are on lower doses. WE all do fine. The point is, you cannot judge someones ability by their dose. That is completely wrong.

Your clinic can write a letter providing information as to your successful and compliant participation in the program that you are attending.
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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:29 pm

Thank you for responding. I can't get a hold of anyone to talk to.
When it comes to my job I get really stressed because I have a small family to support.
I'm doing everything I'm suppose to be doing and someone wants to make me feel guilty for being on methadone.
I'm not going to lie, I feel ashamed to be on it.
It's because of things like this that make me feel that way.
I'm definitely grateful to not be using street drugs.
I'm a mess over it.
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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:43 pm

Bacon,
FIRST! you have NOTHING to be ashamed of. I know this is easier said than done, because I too feel shame at times, but you are doing something far better than you would be if you weren't on methadone. You are at least trying to help yourself and stay off the street drugs so try to remember that. I know it is easier to not bring it up than to try and justify yourself to other ppl (again, something we shouldn't have to do) but please don't beat yourself up about being on methadone.

Dee has given you the best advice and said exactly what I would have said also. All you need to do is get a letter from you clinic saying you are stable and have been stable and compliant.

I don't think the doc at your job has a right to know what dose you are on because whatever dose your clinic has you on is NOT going to affect your driving, working or any other activity.

I also think if they do keep hassling you over it after you provide them w/the necessary information from your clinic, then I would consider seeking legal action. Again, as Dee told you, it is against the Americans with Disablities Act (matter of fact, I just posted an article where a woman won her case........click this link http://methadone.forumotion.net/t789-company-to-pay-85000-over-rejected-applicant )
they can't do you like that.


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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:48 pm

PS: In the attachment Dee gave you on "Know Your Rights" pay special attention to the bottom section on page 8. It says..........

• Employers may not fire or refuse to hire any job applicant
or employee solely because a drug test reveals the presence
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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:09 pm

Thanks again for the reply, it's good to know that there are people out there that understand what I'm dealing with.
I asked my HR department why my dosage was a concern.
Her reply to me was that the consulting firm they had contracted told her it was so they could "check my levels"
Can they check my methadone levels with one Urine sample? Can they even check my levels with a ua?
They want to be sure I'm not taking more than my prescribed dose.
Isn't tht what I pay the clinic to be sure of?
I guess they won't just take the word of my counsellor that I'm in compliant with the program.
I did in fact have my clinic write a letter stating I was currently enrolled in a methadone program.
I didn't have the clinic include my dosage.
My counsellor said and I agreed that it really isn't their business.
I may have to defend that stance.
I would just as soon disclose my dosage than get fired, but I want to at least try to fight for my privacy rights.
I don't really have the luxury of standing my ground.
I have two young children at home to think about.
What are your thoughts on this?
My dose could be perceived to be too high by someone uneducated in the matter.
I really don't want to give them the impression that I'm trying to hide something.
Thanks a bunch
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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:56 pm

I don't think it's their business at all what your dose is. Your clinic is the one who is keeping up w/your "compliance" and as to if they can tell how much methadone you are taking by a blood or urine sample the answer is NO! Each person metabolizes methadone differently. One person on 25mg may have the same amount of methadone in their blood or urine sample as one on 300mg. So that is BULL that your work needs to know your dose so they can "check if you are taking more than you are suppose to or not". And again, each person is different and they may show just as much methadone in their blood or urine sample as someone else who is on a different dose. Not to mention, depending on how long after your dose you take this "blood or urine" sample also has a lot to do with how much is showing up in the sample as well. That is what is shown in a peak and trough! At different times of the day your levels may be higher or lower so I don't know what they think they are going to be able to learn.

I would talk w/your clinic doc, (he or she seems like a really good doc and your clinic staff as well) and maybe he/she (or the clinic nurse) can call and explain this to whomever it is that is handling this.

I will also in the mean time do some more research for you and see what I can find out about how much info you do have to disclose to them. According to the link Dee gave you for the KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, it doesn't go into that much detail. However, it also give contact info of someone you may can call and ask these questions to.

Employment: U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission:
(EEOC). Call (800) 669-4000 (voice) or (800) 669-6820
(TTY) or visit http://eeoc.gov/facts/howtofil.html

I would be willing to do it for you anonymously but they may ask questions that only you have the answers to. If it was me, I would call and ask them and speak off the record or anonymously until you decide how to proceed with things.


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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:56 am

I would really appreciate any information about that as possible.
Like I said, I don't really have the luxury of testing my employers resolve when it comes to this, especially if I don't know what my rights are.
If I knew without a doubt I could refuse without reprisal I would.
I can't imagine the look on my son's face if I had to tell him I no longer work here.
I do have a ton of respect for what you people are accomplishing with this forum. It's like an entire support group has opened up for me. I'm not alone. At last.
Thanks again.
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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:43 pm

You are DEFINATELY NOT alone anymore. No matter what, don't forget that.

I would call the EEOC number I gave you and ask them. I spoke w/my clinic this AM and I also have a person familiar with disability law who both say it is NONE of the employers business what your dose is. They have a right to know that you are on MMT and if you are stable or not and they have the right to keep drug testing you to make sure you stay clean of all other drugs, but they both said it is NONE of their business what your dose is. Even if they did test you to see how much methadone you have in your system, we all know that even MMT clinic docs have a hard time knowing how to read these types of test so the employers doc thinking that he would know better than your own MMT clinic is just crazy.

On the other hand, I also heard from another source that your employer can ask your dose and such. SO again, I think the best thing to do would be to contact the EEOC and start there asking your questions, if they can't tell you for sure, surely they can get you to the right agency or person who can tell you for sure.


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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:17 pm

I had to tell him my dosage. Like I said I relly don't have the luxury to stand my ground. I can't go even one day without being unemployed.
He was very threatening and is clearly trying to intimidate me.
I'm hoping I can get help from some of you to find out if he just violated my rights. i'd love to have him brought before a medical review board.
The doctor at my clinic believes if he finds out my dose he'll be very biased toward me.
This A$$hole told me today that he wanted to know my dose to check my levels.
I told him that was a crock of sh**. He stood his ground and said that was exactly why he wante to know.
If that were really true then I'm ok with it because I don't take more than I should.
It doesn't sound right though because he doesn't know when I take my dose, When I gave my ua and how my body metabolizes it.
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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:00 pm

Unfortunately, I can't tell you with any degree of certainty if he violated your rights or not, (You would THINK SO!) and I don't think anyone else here on the forum can tell you that with a 100% degree of certainty either. That's why I suggest you contact the EEOC, they can tell you if he did or not. This is their department and you can speak to them off the record and probably don't even have to give your name unless you find out that he did violate your rights and you want to persue a complaint. Either that or I would contact an attorney yourself, most don't charge for a consult. I would contact the EEOC first, that way you can hear it straight from the one who knows for certain if this is the case or not. You may can even check the website from the link I gave you above, you might could just email them and ask, but to maintain your anonymous status, a phone call may be best.

Employment: U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission:
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(TTY) or visit http://eeoc.gov/facts/howtofil.html



Good luck and keep us posted.


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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:02 pm

Man I hope things work out for you. If you still don't have the answers u need try this web page, I've used it be4, that's how I know about it. It was a big help to me. O, and it's no way he can check the level of methadone in your body from a Ua, you can only check levels with blood. Even then it's not easy.

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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:51 am

The just answer.com site is a pretty good site but I had an experience with them in the past when I was having issues with my clinic doc interpreting my peak and trough test and they were unable to help me because they didn't have anyone to deal with this type of methadone question. Not to mention it cost $18 bucks to use the site and all you have to do is call the EEOC and get the info you are seeking for free! lol!

Actually Digimon, there is a way to check methadone levels via a UA. In this situation they are looking to see how much of the methadone metabolites are showing up in your body via urine. This can be used as an indicator of how much methadone you have been taking and/or processing. Next time you get your UA results to sign off on at your clinic, check it out. There is a section marked methadone metabolites and it should show positive if you are taking your methadone properly and this a level of the metabolized methadone in your system. It isn't as accurate as lets say a peak and trough blood serum test, but you can get a methadone metabolite level in a UA.


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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:48 am

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Learn that at once the attitude to the person accordingly bad! But I hope, that shortly all will change! There was a law where the president and the state guarantees and without прерывность both recipes and house reception and social protection of patients! I wish all to us only good and less problems connected with reception MetaDon! Respectfully Denis
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PostSubject: Re: Can I be fired for being on Methadone?   Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:26 am

Yes I understand metabolites and ua's. Lol but I still stand by that it's no way he can tell what your dose is by a ua. scratch was just trying to help...


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